020: Sidezigs - It’s Pickup Trucks All The Way Down (w/ Adam)

Phil and old friend Adam dive into the Early Times of their first joint venture: playing pop country music professionally.  Plus: the craft of songsmanship, being a rad dad.

Check out McCartney 3-2-1 on Hulu

Check out the trailer for Squaring The Circle: The Story of Hipgnosis

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"Zagways" by Bad Custer

"The Banjo Song" by The Brother Brothers

"Suds in the Bucket" by Sara Evans

"Bye Bye" by Jo Dee Messina

"Goodbye Earl" and "Travelin' Soldier" by the Chicks

"Gunpowder and Lead" by Miranda Lambert

"Trouble" by The Rooftop Trio

"Dragula" by Bad Custer

Phil is one quarter of Bad Custer. Follow on Spotify or Apple Music or Bandcamp for music, Instagram for sweet memes.  And check out their new web site at

Phil and Adam were two thirds of The Rooftop Trio.  Check out their legendary Mr Smalls set from 2008 on YouTube.

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